Evil (Discouragement) on YouTube

Ed Seith · Nov 14, 2019

Shit like this is why I started the #metalminute hashtag on IG. Keeping the emphasis on doing quick hits with no overdubs, coverups, or hundreds of takes to make it perfect. People who do this sort of thing discourage real players of all skill levels and they should be taken out behind the barn and put down. Leon really shows how easy it is to make "pretend" awesome guitar videos. I hadn't thought about some of these ways, but for sure - they all suck. They're all cheating for the sake of cheating.

idssdi · Nov 14, 2019

I have to admit I do take until I think they are 'acceptable' like do take until I don't mess up all over the place but just ocasionally have notes that don't come out as clear as they are supposed to be

Ed Seith · Nov 14, 2019

Ids Schiere said:
I have to admit I do take until I think they are 'acceptable' like do take until I don't mess up all over the place but just ocasionally have notes that don't come out as clear as they are supposed to be

I think doing a few takes to get a solid one is fine, but doing this sort of thing, or doing 100 takes until it's perfect is a bit much. For the Metal Minutes, I never do more than 3 complete takes, but that's just my personal philosophy/rule and an arbitrary number.

Flip Twogood · Nov 14, 2019

Totally agree. I wish he named some people though

Ed Seith · Nov 14, 2019

Save "the perfect take" for a studio recording.

Edward John · Nov 14, 2019

Ed Seith said:
Save "the perfect take" for a studio recording.

Absolutely.

Calvin Phillips · Nov 14, 2019

I very rarely retake my improvs. That's why I call them that. If you're in the studio I can understand retakes. Or demos. Anything else.. it's a jam for a reason. Who cares about the slips. I get you barely notice them anyways

Brian Haner Sr. · Nov 14, 2019

The studio needs what it needs. Sometimes it's one take - sometimes it a dozen takes. As he said, if it's compositional, I'm all in. Like using auto-tune as an effect. The sound of that "perfect" 1/4 speed guitar has a place IF that's the sonic quality you what you want on your record. But if you're misrepresenting yourself on instagram, then it's simply fraud.
I go the other way. If you watch my lessons, there are no cuts. 5 minutes, 8 minutes - whatever. It's all live. I may have done 2 or 3 takes from start to finish - but I would have felt like I was misrepresenting myself had I used jump cuts every 15 seconds to make everything "perfect". And you can hear it in my playing - warts and all. lol
Thanks for sharing, Ed. I didn't even know people were doing this. It would seem NOTHING is sacred anymore.

Andrew Fernandes · Nov 14, 2019

I'm not sure if I'm guilty of this about my covers. When I do my covers I do them like a band would do a album track.

Jak Angelescu · Nov 14, 2019

Flip Twogood said:
Totally agree. I wish he named some people though

I could easily name like 5 players

Calvin Phillips · Nov 14, 2019

You can tell the takes are real too. Theres many times where pg pauses to think about how he wants to explain something. He usually nails it everytime. Lol

Jak Angelescu · Nov 14, 2019

Ed Seith said:
Shit like this is why I started the #metalminute hashtag on IG. Keeping the emphasis on doing quick hits with no overdubs, coverups, or hundreds of takes to make it perfect. People who do this sort of thing discourage real players of all skill levels and they should be taken out behind the barn and put down. Leon really shows how easy it is to make "pretend" awesome guitar videos. I hadn't thought about some of these ways, but for sure - they all suck. They're all cheating for the sake of cheating.

I absolutely love this and wasn't even aware that this was a thing. Like seriously. I quite literally now understand why it seems like so many YouTube and Instagram shredders sound so fucking lifeless!! I always say every player I see sounds so dull. When he played it for real, that string noise and pick attack sound is what makes it so sexy!! I can't believe people are stripping that away!! Thank you for this!! I really needed to watch this!

Calvin Phillips · Nov 14, 2019

I will admit I wrote songs on guitar pro. But I also learned to play those so longs and rewrote parts I couldn't play lol

Ed Seith · Nov 14, 2019

I've written parts in apps, too - nothing wrong with that; it's just writing. If you run that MIDI through a re-amper and post it as your playing, well, that's where the problem starts...

Andrew Fernandes · Nov 14, 2019

I don't speed up my tracks or show anything I can not play. I just use takes that are good in my covers so I record them until they are right and make the cover sound more polished not a live cover. I do however mime myself playing the cover on video so that could be bad.

Dominik Gräber · Nov 14, 2019

Thanks for sharing Ed! You really tend to forget what people do for some likes or whatever if you don't think about it twice.

Ed Seith · Nov 14, 2019

@Andrew Fernandes - I don't think anything I've seen you do is any kind of a problem like this. You're not misrepresenting yourself, and that's really the key and the crux of the argument.

@Dominik Gräber - Slipknot said it best. People=Shit.

Rute Rodrigues · Nov 15, 2019

Oh and what about the dose people who record video doing playback ?? I've seen so many idiots who were just 'playing' and the guitar wasn't even amplified ... You have no idea how much this pisses me off. In general, I would say that, as I practice my solos so much, that when I record they look good at the first or second time XD If you look at my videos I dont use any program or another thing to record, I just record with my phone cam. so when you hear my solos, you can hear all my mistakes and failures. I honestly don't worry about my videos being 100% perfect you know? I'm a guitar student and I'm still learning, that's all. (Of course when I play a wrong note, I record again, ok? I think you get it)

Calvin Phillips · Nov 15, 2019

Well to be fair I did record them through the program.but only to save the songs so id remember them. They sound nothing like they used to in most spots. But I still have those original recordings lol

Edward John · Nov 15, 2019

Guitar is like any other instrument, you can 'autotune' it.

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