Something about the new song I made

Sayonil Mitra · Nov 26, 2019

At first, I was hesitating to post this in the main forum after posting it in the riff section. But this song is, good or bad, a kind of a personal milestone for me. before this one, whatever I wrote was just a compilation of riffs and solos. They had no "narrative" or "continuity" to them. But this one, I tried to put some stricture, some flow into it. It felt a little odd since I never thought of verse,chorus,bridge etc. So decided to post it here with sole purpose of getting valuable feedback on this. I tried to put some variety into this song and I am planning to do more stuff like this. Thanks for reading

Jak Angelescu · Nov 26, 2019

I am making notes as I listen to it. To be honest I absolutely fucking love this! It's got a great melody and I love the lead playing in it. My only suggestion is that your lead playing sounds too weak for this song to be honest. I would like to hear a lot more attitude with the vibrato. What I mean by this, is that the way you are approaching the lead playing is very great for something like maybe a pop song or a ballad. It doesn't have a lot of aggression behind it which I think the song calls for. Perhaps a harder attack or a more aggressive approach if that makes sense? At 2:15 I think the change was a little abrupt. I think you could give a little bit more space to have something segue into that transition a little bit better. But I'm not going to lie Sayonil, I really actually enjoyed this song A lot. I would definitely listen to it again. Pump up the attitude of the lead playing a little bit more and it would definitely be a song I would buy. I hope you continue to work on this because I love it a lot!

Calvin Phillips · Nov 26, 2019

Once I'm off the phone I'll listen. I read jaks comment. And I have one tip. If this is like your one take recording. Jam the song a week. And redo the song. You'll be amazed how much more feel and attitude is added. Just what jak is asking for. You just gotta go exploring and see if you can spice it up or make it flawless. Once I listen I'll comment again.

I use this method with every song I write. I recently rewrote improv 36 into a song and sent jak the recording. I'm in that same boat now where I gotta jam it out a bit and get it all down.

Ed Seith · Nov 26, 2019

Great stuff Sayonil! I always love your playing. FEEDBACK=personal opinion.

1. Drums too quiet. That kick and snare should cut clearly through everything
2. Rhythm guitar needs "air" - it sounds muffled. EQ a + into somewhere in the 4-8k range to take the guitar out of the box it's in.
3. I didn't hear any playing I didn't like, but Calvin is on the right track - live with it and play along with it for a week before you record, unless you're specifically NOT wanting to do that.

Awesome! I dig it!

Sayonil Mitra · Nov 26, 2019

Jak Angelescu said:
I am making notes as I listen to it. To be honest I absolutely fucking love this! It's got a great melody and I love the lead playing in it. My only suggestion is that your lead playing sounds too weak for this song to be honest. I would like to hear a lot more attitude with the vibrato. What I mean by this, is that the way you are approaching the lead playing is very great for something like maybe a pop song or a ballad. It doesn't have a lot of aggression behind it which I think the song calls for. Perhaps a harder attack or a more aggressive approach if that makes sense? At 2:15 I think the change was a little abrupt. I think you could give a little bit more space to have something segue into that transition a little bit better. But I'm not going to lie Sayonil, I really actually enjoyed this song A lot. I would definitely listen to it again. Pump up the attitude of the lead playing a little bit more and it would definitely be a song I would buy. I hope you continue to work on this because I love it a lot!

Thanks a lot for the detailed response. I actually never thought about what you said. I never thought about the mood/aggression of lead playing as you said. Definitely opened my eyes. Super valuable tip. Will remember that.

Sayonil Mitra · Nov 26, 2019

Calvin Phillips said:
Once I'm off the phone I'll listen. I read jaks comment. And I have one tip. If this is like your one take recording. Jam the song a week. And redo the song. You'll be amazed how much more feel and attitude is added. Just what jak is asking for. You just gotta go exploring and see if you can spice it up or make it flawless. Once I listen I'll comment again.

I use this method with every song I write. I recently rewrote improv 36 into a song and sent jak the recording. I'm in that same boat now where I gotta jam it out a bit and get it all down.

I agree what you just said totally. It was not a 1 take thing. I spent more than a week on this. Although I was not completely happy about what came out, I decided to put it out anyways cuz I thought it was taking too much time and I was itching to work on new ideas. I am not sure that is the right thinking or not

Sayonil Mitra · Nov 26, 2019

Ed Seith said:
Great stuff Sayonil! I always love your playing. FEEDBACK=personal opinion.

1. Drums too quiet. That kick and snare should cut clearly through everything
2. Rhythm guitar needs "air" - it sounds muffled. EQ a + into somewhere in the 4-8k range to take the guitar out of the box it's in.
3. I didn't hear any playing I didn't like, but Calvin is on the right track - live with it and play along with it for a week before you record, unless you're specifically NOT wanting to do that.

Awesome! I dig it!

You just nailed it. I was struggling with the exact same things you mentioned. I could not make kick and snare pop out cuz I don't know how to deal with them, I am being honest here. I did watch some YT videos on mixing drums but found them too advanced. Same with the rhythm guitar tone. I don't know what to do with them. I am a big fan of tight rhythm tones used in metal and metalcore, super aggressive yet super tight. but I just don't know how to get those tones. Ed, if you put some tutorial on dialing tones and general principles somewhere (forum, YT), this would be a huge favor.

Calvin Phillips · Nov 26, 2019

Let me tell you my process for the week on that song.

First I sat down and for the rhythm down. That took me some time to get the timing and arpeggios down cause they were fucking hard. Once I got that down. I went back and took my melody and played to it. The verse is the same idea just one desends while the other goes up. The song really doesnt have a chorus. As soon as I like the idea I have whether it's good.or not I record it and move on. When the song is finished I go back and listen to it part by part ro ensure the parts still fit. Oh their own they may.but not together. That caused me to change up my chorus lead melody a little a few times. I'm still not 100% happy but with the play time the parts I'm not sure on will fix themselves.

Your song was pretty good. I personally liked the tone but that's only if you want it sounding that rough. The lead parts were fun. i recognized your tone right away. I agree with jak though when I say the lead sounds pretty normal and almost generic. I didnt really hear your trademark playing as much but if you just wrote the parts thatd make sense. Woth the jamming you create your feel. I think that's what jak was basically trying to say too.

Generic is not bad either. This is by no means an insult. I think a lot of songs start out this way. Then you add your tricks and licks into them whole jamming the songs.

Filip Tomiša · Nov 26, 2019

Sayonil Mitra said:
You just nailed it. I was struggling with the exact same things you mentioned. I could not make kick and snare pop out cuz I don't know how to deal with them, I am being honest here. I did watch some YT videos on mixing drums but found them too advanced. Same with the rhythm guitar tone. I don't know what to do with them. I am a big fan of tight rhythm tones used in metal and metalcore, super aggressive yet super tight. but I just don't know how to get those tones. Ed, if you put some tutorial on dialing tones and general principles somewhere (forum, YT), this would be a huge favor.

If you are still new to mixing and you don't quite understand it very well just yet, I'd recommend you learn "low cutting". It's very simple and it will improve your mix a lot. Low cutting is just removing the mud from the low end on every audio file. That way you will have a very clean low end and your kick and bass will cut through the mix. The way you do it is you just put an EQ on every audio file and you use the "low cut Q" and you remove the mud but you have to be careful not to remove the frequencies that you need, only the ones that have no important information a.k.a. "mud". Here's a great tutorial that shows you just that (important stuff happens from 5:35):
p.s. "low cut" & "high pass" mean the same thing, just like "high cut" and "low pass" mean the same thing as well.

Sayonil Mitra · Nov 26, 2019

Filip Tomiša said:
If you are still new to mixing and you don't quite understand it very well just yet, I'd recommend you learn "low cutting". It's very simple and it will improve your mix a lot. Low cutting is just removing the mud from the low end on every audio file. That way you will have a very clean low end and your kick and bass will cut through the mix. The way you do it is you just put an EQ on every audio file and you use the "low cut Q" and you remove the mud but you have to be careful not to remove the frequencies that you need, only the ones that have no important information a.k.a. "mud". Here's a great tutorial that shows you just that (important stuff happens from 5:35):
p.s. "low cut" & "high pass" mean the same thing, just like "high cut" and "low pass" mean the same thing as well.

Thanks. That video did clear up some confusions I had

Ezequiel Romanko · Nov 27, 2019

I love the song Sayonil you're really creative it needs some mixing but unfortunately i can't tell you much of it cuz i don't really know a thing about it hahaha but keep it up meen it gonna be a master piece

Sayonil Mitra · Nov 27, 2019

Ezequiel Romanko said:
I love the song Sayonil you're really creative it needs some mixing but unfortunately i can't tell you much of it cuz i don't really know a thing about it hahaha but keep it up meen it gonna be a master piece

Thanks. Ya, I am working on my mixing

Ezequiel Romanko · Nov 27, 2019

Calvin Phillips said:
Once I'm off the phone I'll listen. I read jaks comment. And I have one tip. If this is like your one take recording. Jam the song a week. And redo the song. You'll be amazed how much more feel and attitude is added. Just what jak is asking for. You just gotta go exploring and see if you can spice it up or make it flawless. Once I listen I'll comment again.

I use this method with every song I write. I recently rewrote improv 36 into a song and sent jak the recording. I'm in that same boat now where I gotta jam it out a bit and get it all down.

Great tip Calvin, im gonna take it in mind for my recordings

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