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Technique PraKISH

Isaac Moss

Free Bird Player
Nov 11, 2019
113
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What’s up guys I was wondering what some of you guys’ take on technique praKISH and how you approach it. By that I mainly mean like picking and stuff like that but bending and vibrato and rhythm skills and whatnot. I basically have about an hour to where I do a list of things for only five minutes or so each. I only spend 15 minutes on ALT picking ( the thing I wanna get the best at technique wise) I was wondering how you guys approach it time wise and stuff like that and how you cover different areas. I hear some guys like Marty Friedman and Satch that really aren’t supportive spending a good chunk of time on technique and more musical skills, but then there are guys like Steve Vai and Jeff Loomis that spent a ton of time on technique but can compose like madmen. And Syn said he worked on Theory,transcripton and writing but idk for me it seems technique wise what I’ve been doing hasn’t been the most effective but idrk. Comments, suggestions, advice? In other words, if you can shred your ass off what’d you practice to get there XD.
 

Firsty Lasty

New Student
Nov 11, 2019
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I refuse to do anything for any measured length of time. What I like to do instead is go in order from the the things that require the most focus to the things that require the least focus. High-focus tasks include learning a piece of music or practicing sweeps. Low-focus tasks would be like mindless legato while watching youtube videos.
 
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Jak Angelescu

Guest
I think it depends on what style of guitarist you want to be. Slash has openly admitted to despise working on music theory and says he goes off of his “ear” more than anything, and eventually has learned patterns that work for him. However, we can all admit that Slash is a very monochromatic player. He’s damn good, but he’s damn good at writing rock n’ roll and blues stuff. He has a couple of Spanish-style influenced songs but it’s minimal. Also, you take Dimebag. He said he made up his own scales and never spent much time on music theory. However, the fucker was LIGHTNING on the frets and still composed some mind-blowing acoustic work. Some stuff I couldn’t believe was Dime. I think it be best to look at who you idolize the most and you drives you the most. The person where you say “I want to be like THAT guy/girl” and do what they do.
I really wish people would understand just how much players like Syn are very rhythmic when they play their leads. If you really dissect his playing, there are very distinguishable rhythmic feels he does, and I believe that stems from him jamming a lot to backing tracks. He understands melody very well, because if you listen to his solos, about 95% of them follow Matt’s melody in someway shape or form. Or there is some lead hook in there somewhere that follows Matt’s vocal line.
I can admit though, I think 5 minutes on each technique is not enough. It doesn’t matter what kind of guitarist you want to be. Even bands like Blink 182, Guttermouth and CKY spent HOURS a day practicing. Although they were writing songs and rehearsing most of that, they still have certain techniques down really well (fast down-picking, anyone?)
I think songwriting IS crucial. But in order to write good songs, you have to know your instrument. For me, it took me about 4 hours a day for about three weeks to get the sweeps down fairly well in HTTK’s solo. I have a toccata technique in one of my solos, and it was a BITCH. I think of it this way a little bit:
I learned recently by my own experiment with the school that spreading yourself too thin and trying to accomplish many things with little time is not efficient or proficient. If you were to practice sweeps for several hours a day, you’d become fairly okay with it in probably a month’s time. Not a MASTER, but you’d get the technique down. Keep this in mind, Syn said it took him roughly 2 years of practice before he could effortlessly incorporate economy picking into his playing. I think patience here is key. Keep practicing stuff. But it’s going to take time AND lots of effort.
A fitness quote I read said it best: “enjoy the ride because you’ll never get there.” What this means, is that when you reach one goal, you have another one you’ll want to achieve. And then another. So don’t focus on the ending point. It will never happen. Just enjoy it and don’t stress yourself out I hope this long-winded answer helps.
 

Isaac Moss

Free Bird Player
Nov 11, 2019
113
1
Dude I probably won’t have too much time to respond but thank you again for the advice. So about spreading yourself too thin do you think an approach the spends a lot of time on one technique everyday for lets say two weeks to a month would be more efficent than touching it all for a few minutes daily. And about the exercise thing, Dimebag said he never did exercises and just learned songs and jammed but honestly either the dude had an extreme natural talent for both playing and composing or he was made that up but I don’t really know. I actually used to do exercises almost execlusivily but then I realized I had to learn songs to become musical. I get to practice about five hours a day on most school nights and all day on the weekends and most of that is on learning a song I guess and practicing this one solo I wrote which I like it but i’ts difficult for me lol. About the two years thing with Syn do you know if he did that like more than everything else for two years or was it just using it?
I’d say Syn is who I idolize most so I guess wanna do what he did, do you if he like practiced songs and stuff like that? He told me he worked on transcription but I don’t really know if he sat and tried to perfect them. Lol I’d pay a lot just to sit down with him and get his practice routine and ask questions XD. I guess it’s encouraging to know it took him two years on that because I’ve been playing for a little over a year but idrk. Do you think you could kinda like tell me what you practice and get better at playing/writing so like your schedule and stuff like that because I’ve seen you play and you’re really good dude. Sorry if that is a lot to ask also thanks for the response it was really interesting to read!
 

Firsty Lasty

New Student
Nov 11, 2019
278
284
In response to the question about whether I practice something until I lose focus on it, sometimes. I might move on to the next thing, or I might take a break and then get back on it. I’m very unscientific about how long I practice any particular thing.
Practicing “too seriously” puts me at high risk of pain or injury because my job stresses my hands and wrists. Practicing with no structure, even for several hours every day, doesn’t improve my skills enough. The solution is I spend part of my practice time being serious and focused and part of my practice time just playing whatever I feel like. This way I am constantly reviewing and refreshing all of my skills, while always making progress with at least one thing.
Of course everyone’s life is different, so my way is not the best way for everyone.
 

Isaac Moss

Free Bird Player
Nov 11, 2019
113
1
At that makes sense dude. I think I’m gonna start spending a lot more time on just one technique like that because Jak told me it’s not a good idea to try shove a lot of things into a little amount of time which does make sense. One thing that may not be a bad idea is spending a lot of time on one thing for like two weeks to a month and then switching it up! I’m probably gonna do that. Keep Shreddin
 
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Jak Angelescu

Guest
I read an interview last night with Yngwie Malmsteen that actually was really inspiring. He said he never really “practiced” per say but he played all the time. He never actually sat down and focused on technique or anything like that. He said he developed his technique from wanting to just be good. He knew what sounded bad and what sounded “better than bad” When he would take the train to work it was a 45 minute ride on the train and he would bring his guitar and play on the train. When he was younger he would walk to the bus stop for school with his guitar in his hand and play for 15 minutes on the bus. He openly admitted that it was probably at an unhealthy level of obsession. But he just loved music so much that he spent ore time playing and trying to compose and mimicking what he heard than actually practicing. When people dissected his regimen, he actually didn’t sit down and play for a specific amount of time and he didn’t Have a specific thing he wanted to practice. He would play for what he felt like playing and would play it until it sounded good. He said that he spent a majority of his time composing and writing than actually practicing if that makes sense. It was actually quite inspiring for me because Dimebag Darrell said the same thing. Perhaps maybe us newer generations of guitarists are too focused on the wrong aspect. Not saying that practicing isn’t a good thing. But in they both believed that practicing and playing are 2 completely separate concepts. Yngwie stated that the only time he ever actually really practiced is if he had a tour coming up. He also made the point, just to make it clear that he didn’t just play for a couple hours A-day and get that good. He never liked to sit down and say “I’m going to practice my sweeping technique for 3 hours.” He would play things that had sweeping arpeggios in them from classical songs he really loved. And he would play them over and over again until he got them good. But this extreme structured a timeframe that we all tend to develop might be counterproductive
 

Sayonil Mitra

Free Bird Player
Nov 11, 2019
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It varies from player to player. the main thing should be sending spending considerable time on practicing a single piece over a couple of days. You can spend calculated or non-calculated time on one thing..or even mix things up. As long as you are playing something everyday and spending some thought on it, you should be fine
 

Isaac Moss

Free Bird Player
Nov 11, 2019
113
1
Dang it seems like all the legends did something different, Steve Vai essentially did the opposite of what Dime and Yngwie did. Maybe Dime and Yngwie had a natural knack for being able to shred, either that or playing Van Halen for Dime and PAGANINI for Yngwie were wonderful “exercises”. Probably number two or both. I’ve always heard Steve Vai say technical things were difficult for him when he started, I guess that’s why he spent three hours a day on that and then three more on scales. I’ll probably take one exercise and practice that for an hour a day for a month or so and then switch, that might work. I got the crosspicking exercise at 135 16th notes so I’ll probably see if I can get to 145. And all the other hours I get currently are pretty pickY too so yeah XD. Exect HTTK it’s eco lol. Thanks guys! But do you know if Syn practied songs and stuff like that or did more technical exercises?