• Join the A7X Discord!

    We're updating the community and moving all social content from the community to the Discord. All lessons related conversations will still take place here though! Join the Discord below and view the full announcement for more details

    JOIN THE DISCORD VIEW THREAD

Practising

Ethan Keeling

Garage band Groupie
Nov 11, 2019
298
487
22
Aylesbury, England
4
Hi guys, happy new year!

I'm struggling with a practise routine. On average a day I have around 1-1.5 hours to practise, and more on the weekend but I don't want it to go more than 1.5 hours or so tbh. I mostly want to work on getting faster and cleaner, while also working on theory, which for me is the CAGED theory (mostly learning to use it while I jam/play over things and learning the fretboard. Iv'e also just started to learn gypsy jazz.

How do i make a good, effective, structured routine incorprating these things that I want to practise and see good results without wasting my time noodling about? Thanks
 

idssdi

Sold-out Crowd Surfer
Nov 11, 2019
5,336
6,754
Groningen
11
First thing to do is realize how much time you have available for practice. Next step is thinking about what you want to practice and for how long you want to practice it. Also, don't forget to add in just having fun.

My practice schedule after the holidays over is something like this:
30 minutes etudes
30 minutes gypsy jazz
30 minutes whatever metal minute or song I want to learn
60 minutes having fun
 
  • Like
Reactions: Ethan Keeling
Synner Endless Summer Collection

Lindsey

Local Dive Bar Favorite
  • Nov 16, 2019
    838
    2,086
    The Netherlands
    www.instagram.com
    10
    I guess it depends on how you define practice, but I get what you mean.
    I honestly think Noodling can be great practice in your musicality. You can find notes that make up pretty melodies. It's also the way I write my songs.

    Well, the question was how to practice efficiently without noodling. 😅
    But I agree, it's just as important. It's a time management thing I recommended. It's to not get lost in one exercise and run out of time for other things you want to practice. You don't always have time for it.
    Make a list of what you want/need to practice, take 5 minutes for each. (Just an example) Depending on the length of the list this may be around 30 minutes.
    After that incorporate everything in your noodling, or play with a backing track. Focus on what you want to improve even further or do some more exercises.
    First do what you have to do, then it's free play time.

    You can look up guitar practice schedules on Google for examples.

    Not sure if links are allowed but here is an hour practice routine schedule example and a blank one to make your own.
     
    Last edited:

    Rute Rodrigues

    Campfire Attention Holder
  • Nov 11, 2019
    415
    804
    21
    Portugal
    6
    Guys, Im here seeing you all with those routines like x minutes for this, y minutes for that, I dont have that. Basically I play everytime I can, for all the hours I can. And basically just focus on just 1/2 thing.
    A thing I always want to do is to jam. After warming up. And then I just practice whatever Im practicing at the time, like etudes, a solo Im learning, an exercice, I mean, I go with it until its done, but just one thing. Is it good?
     

    Kai C

    Stairway to Heaven Tab Studier
    Nov 11, 2019
    224
    297
    29
    Naha Okinawa
    Huh … I always thought that the noodling was the best part … :) Must just be me!

    Haha! This is how I've been rolling. Is it the most efficient way? Nah. But it is a healthy reminder of why you love the guitar and keep playing.

    I, unintentionally, go in different directions. One day I'll play a lot of scales / finding all my root notes and learning my keys. One day I'll practice chords and chord changes while learning new chords. One day I'll do a lesson. One day I'll try to learn a song. Often I just noodle and try to throw everything together. It's all just fun.
     

    idssdi

    Sold-out Crowd Surfer
    Nov 11, 2019
    5,336
    6,754
    Groningen
    11
    Guys, Im here seeing you all with those routines like x minutes for this, y minutes for that, I dont have that. Basically I play everytime I can, for all the hours I can. And basically just focus on just 1/2 thing.
    A thing I always want to do is to jam. After warming up. And then I just practice whatever Im practicing at the time, like etudes, a solo Im learning, an exercice, I mean, I go with it until its done, but just one thing. Is it good?
    Sure it is! I've done that for years. It's just when you have limited time it nice to have a little bit of an overview of what you want to with this limited time instead of just messing around
     
    Synner Endless Summer Collection

    Edward John

    New Student
    Nov 11, 2019
    782
    880
    24
    UK
    Haha! This is how I've been rolling. Is it the most efficient way? Nah. But it is a healthy reminder of why you love the guitar and keep playing.

    I, unintentionally, go in different directions. One day I'll play a lot of scales / finding all my root notes and learning my keys. One day I'll practice chords and chord changes while learning new chords. One day I'll do a lesson. One day I'll try to learn a song. Often I just noodle and try to throw everything together. It's all just fun.
    I bet Chad Kroeger doesn't practice, he's too busy slamming down as many Jacks as he can, what a guy!
     
    • Haha
    Reactions: Rute Rodrigues

    Edward John

    New Student
    Nov 11, 2019
    782
    880
    24
    UK
    Guys, Im here seeing you all with those routines like x minutes for this, y minutes for that, I dont have that. Basically I play everytime I can, for all the hours I can. And basically just focus on just 1/2 thing.
    A thing I always want to do is to jam. After warming up. And then I just practice whatever Im practicing at the time, like etudes, a solo Im learning, an exercice, I mean, I go with it until its done, but just one thing. Is it good?
    Don't worry, I haven't "practiced" in about five years, hahahah.
     
    J

    Jak Angelescu

    Guest
    Hello Ethan...
    The biggest question of "What kind of guitar player do you want to be?" will help you carve out how long and what to practice and HOW to practice. Everyone forgets that these are three KEY items EVERY guitarist needs to adhere to depending on what kind of guitarist they want to be...
    1. What makes me happy?
    2. What am I excited to commit to?
    3. How will this benefit my growth?

    $ynners, take notes. Everyone praises how quickly I advance and this is the breakdown of why I have been able to...

    Firstly, you need to ask yourself "what kind of guitarist do I want to be?" Don't question it. Really sit down, think about it. Think about your goals a musician, what makes you happy, what gives you joy. Go ahead and think about it and let me know and I'll tell you what I think would be best for you to do.

    Here's the thing @Rute Rodrigues , you are not wrong. You have a very "classical guitarist" approach to practicing. And there's nothing wrong with that. Everyone will have varying routines of what works for them, so our job is to help you find something that works for you. As a classically-trained guitarist, I have learned to spend a SMALL amount of time on finger warmups, and then spend some time on technique practice (not a whole lot), and then what we do is we focus on one specific piece. 1.5 hours of practice time is MORE than enough time to get some serious improvement, but not if you're going to spread yourself so thin. You'll get nothing done focusing on 5 things for 15 minutes each. Classical guitarists will spend about 45 minutes doing warmup and technique practice and then as long as it takes focusing on one spot on their current piece to get it sounding good. Even if it's just on measure.

    You see, the problem with doing 15 minute of this, 40 minutes of that, is let's say you want to learn the solo for Sweet Child O' Mine by Guns N' Roses, and you've never even started learning it. You need to make a goal of a FEW measures, maybe even only ONE, and practice it until it sounds how you want to sound. I don't give a shit if it takes your entire practice time. Do it. Because here's what will happen: You'll get measure one pretty okay in one day of practice. Then day 2 you'll get it a little bit better and MAYBE you feel inclined to try measure two. And then next thing you know, maybe by day 6 you have 6 measures really awesome sounding and you're working on measure 7 now. Or who knows? Maybe you get so good with measure one you can move on to measure two in 5 minutes. Each day you practice something (consistency being key), you'll improve on it. There's only so much you can improve on in one day. So don't sit there and say "I have to practice THIS specific thing for an hour" because you can only get something so good in one day before it becomes an "over a time span" thing. So what if you told yourself "I'm going to practice the scales in lesson 28 for an hour" but um, you kind of already know them well? Are you going to bore yourself to tears FORCING yourself to play something so religiously when you've already made improvement on it in let's say, 15 minutes? Yes you can create sequences with those scales, yes you can jam over them in different key signatures and genres, but those are kind of classified as "warmups/technique and fun time" respectively, not actual practice. That is, unless improvisation and getting faster with those scales is a GOAL of yours, then it's actual practice.
    Think of practice like this: Have you ever heard a chef say "I'm practicing measuring flour" or "I'm practicing stirring my sauce"? No. Because measuring flour and stirring is so basic and simple and it will be done millions of times over their lifespan, they don't consume their time everyday improving the basics of cooking because they KNOW with repetitive use, it will get better, more precise and faster over time. However, how many times have you heard a chef say "I really need to practice getting my pastry dough more flaky" or "I really need to practice laying my fondant for this cake I'm suppose to make"? A little bit more often, I'm sure.
    Stirring sauce and measuring flour = Warmups and technique
    Laying fondant and getting a flaky phylo = Musical goal/achievement

    Ask yourself this final question: Would you rather spend 2 hours practicing how to stir sauce or practicing how to get a flaky phylo dough? Which is more important? What needs the most time?

    This is what classical guitarists do. When they have a recital, a wedding reception or an ensemble performance coming up, THEN they spend up to four hours practicing. So 1.5 hours is plenty of time. You said you were tapping into gypsy jazz and that's awesome! Is it something that inspires you? If this is a 'yes' (if it isn't a definite 'yes' it's a definite 'no'), then what I would do is research "essential warmups for gypsy jazz guitarists" because they will differ from "essential warmups for a thrash metal guitarist". Then find out what techniques are being used and find them as lessons on here. Delve yourself into theory as well. Then most importantly, find a piece you can easily achieve so you can have a stable understanding of the foundation of gypsy jazz guitar.

    My practice schedule looks like this:
    10 minute warm up
    20 minute technique practice (etude studies)
    30 minutes current lesson
    3rd measure of Scorpions' "Rock You Like A Hurricane Solo"
    Triplet downstroke section of original song


    Notice how I don't give a time limit to those last two. Because that is my specific goal and I don't want to bore myself to tears if I nail it in 10 minutes by repeating it for an hour. NOR do I want to limit my time so much that if I don't get it at all, I'm moving on to something else. If I did that, the time I DID spend on it would be null and pointless.

    If you are finding yourself needing to practice for 5-6 hours a day as some guitarists do, you may not be practicing efficiently or performing bad technique. I thought I was going to have to play 6 hours a day to see any improvement, but that wasn't the case. I was just simply having limiting techniques (holding the pick improperly) and not a good practice regimen. The guitar players like us are so disciplined by the scholarly ways of "time blocking" our practice but it doesn't have to be that way.

    My last and final thought: Noodling is both good and bad. As many students have stated, it's how you can find your creative voice and create new melodies and ideas. Just DON'T fucking be a mindless noodler where you just wank off for an hour with no care about honing in on a kickass riff or melody you discover and working with it. Because if you don't and you spend a majority of your time noodling, you're just jerking off. Sorry not sorry. You won't achieve anything. You won't discover WHY something you did worked. You won't create or expand. You're just blazing through stuff without thinking. However, if you're finding yourself noodling it may not be because of lack of discipline. Maybe your practice regimen is boring as fuck. Or maybe you're needing to write and create. Whatever the road takes you to, ALLOW it to. If you're practicing the CAGED shit and you get a creative spark, don't pour water on it. But by the same token, don't succumb to noodling because you're simply bored or you feel intimidated you're not getting something. It's the same equivalent as to me going and playing "Silent Hill" instead of me doing my calculus homework (fuck that I never got to calculus but you get the point). Math was too hard for me and uninspiring. But writing...wow... I could do my college composition homework all day.

    In conclusion:
    Don't bash yourself in the head with warmups and techniques, unless the technique is a goal of yours
    Ask yourself what kind of guitarist you want to be and research the warmups and techniques suited for it
    Noodle when necessary
    Find something that inspires you
    Have a decently obtainable goal and stretch goal
    Do it daily
    Eat chocolate
    Cuddle kittens

    Fin
     
    • Like
    Reactions: Kai C