I know you can use the diminished scale and diminished arpeggios a halve step up over dominant 7th chords(F diminished over E7 for example) now I started wondering whether you have something similar for augmented arpeggios. Like for example over a Fmaj7 you can do an E augmented arpeggios even though E augmented has a G# sharp in it which is the minor third of F.
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Hm, given that G#/Ab note there, it may work better over an Fm chord actually, given that Fm is F-Ab-C and Eaug is E-G#-C. I also see this as one of those weird scenarios where you can use an Fm(maj7) chord (yeah, that's a thing).
An Fm(maj7) chord is basically F-Ab-C-E. You could try and see if it works.
An Fm(maj7) chord is basically F-Ab-C-E. You could try and see if it works.
Well now you're getting into jazz. You can use it in a lot of places, but let's start with two. Firstly, it can be used over the V in a II-V-I situation. So Let's say you've got: Cm7 - F7 - Bb. You can play a Cm7 arp up, then a F7+5 arp down, and finally a BbMaj7 arp. Works great when your V chord is an altered 7 - especially a b5, but it works over any altered 7.
Another great place is to use it is over a 9b5 chord by playing the aug arp a step above the chord. So a F7+5 arp works over an Eb9b5.
Let's look at the two chords:
Eb9b5 = Eb, G, A, Db, F
F7+5 = F, A, C#(Db), Eb
So as you can see - all the notes in F7+5 arp are in the Eb9b5 chord.
So say you're playing some blues I-IV-V. A7 D7 E7. Throw in an Eb9b5 just before you change to the D7. Play your F7+5 arp over it and I guarantee you will smile!
Who else wants to add other situations where a aug arp works?
Another great place is to use it is over a 9b5 chord by playing the aug arp a step above the chord. So a F7+5 arp works over an Eb9b5.
Let's look at the two chords:
Eb9b5 = Eb, G, A, Db, F
F7+5 = F, A, C#(Db), Eb
So as you can see - all the notes in F7+5 arp are in the Eb9b5 chord.
So say you're playing some blues I-IV-V. A7 D7 E7. Throw in an Eb9b5 just before you change to the D7. Play your F7+5 arp over it and I guarantee you will smile!
Who else wants to add other situations where a aug arp works?
Does it work over any V-I part? Like in minor swing where it goes Am6-Dm6-E7 do Am9-Dm9-E7+5 Arpeggios over it?
Absolutely! And don't forget the E Phrygian Dominant over the E7. (5th degree of A Harmonic minor)
And if you want to get a bit more "out", there's always the E altered scale (7th degree of F Melodic minor)
I tend to use harmonic minor over the Am and Dm already and kind of like to change it up a little when I get to V chord. I tried using the E altered scale too but haven't really found a way to use it that I like the sound of it.
Right on. Altered scale is an acquired taste and really not used much in pure Gypsy. It gets you quickly into Be-Bop if you're not careful.
Harmonic minor can be used over everything - as you have found. It has such a distinctive color that you can overuse it very easily.
Love that you can hear all that and you are mixing it up!
Good work!
Yeah theyve been lively this weekend on the forums!I do have some good teachers who help me with this stuff
A bit late to the discussion here but I love Augmented arpeggios 
It's worth remembering that Augmented & Diminished arpeggios are Symmetrical, so if you can play an E Aug arp over an E7, you can also play a G# & C Aug arp over it (As they contain all the same notes and are all inversions of eachother) - and if you can play an F Dim Arp over an E7 you can also play Ab, B, D Diminished Arps over it. - Even though each are technically all the same arpeggio, it can be helpful to think of them as separate fragments to end up in different harmonic places after the V chord.
Here's some simple ways to get use out of these 3 Aug arps in a ii V I situation (Key of A) :
1. If when the V chord hits, you play the C Aug arp descending,the last note you hit is 'C', then you do a half step slide up to C#, and it lands you smoothly into the 3rd of the I chord. (You can get the same result if you play your E Aug arp ascending and do the same half step slide)
2. When the V chord hits, if play the G# Aug arp ascending, the last note you it is E (5th of A), then slide a wholestep up to F# which lands you in the 6/13 of the I chord. (If you play the arp descending your last note is G# (7th of A) then a half step slide into the Root of the I chord.
And here's the same idea but with Diminished arps
1. Ascend up an F diminished Arp and do a half step slide backwards to get to the 3rd of A / Descend down the arp and half step slide up to land of the 6th/13 of A.
2. Ascend up an Ab dim arp and hs slide back to land on the 5th of A / Descend down the arp and hs slide up to the Root of A.
3. Ascend up a B dim arp and hs slide to the Root of A / Descend down the arp and slide up a whole step to get to the 3rd of A.
4. Ascend up a D dim arp and ws slide down to the Root / Descend down the aro and to a hs slide to the 3rd.
Hopefully this helps and sparks some ideas
It's worth remembering that Augmented & Diminished arpeggios are Symmetrical, so if you can play an E Aug arp over an E7, you can also play a G# & C Aug arp over it (As they contain all the same notes and are all inversions of eachother) - and if you can play an F Dim Arp over an E7 you can also play Ab, B, D Diminished Arps over it. - Even though each are technically all the same arpeggio, it can be helpful to think of them as separate fragments to end up in different harmonic places after the V chord.
Here's some simple ways to get use out of these 3 Aug arps in a ii V I situation (Key of A)
: 1. If when the V chord hits, you play the C Aug arp descending,the last note you hit is 'C', then you do a half step slide up to C#, and it lands you smoothly into the 3rd of the I chord. (You can get the same result if you play your E Aug arp ascending and do the same half step slide)
2. When the V chord hits, if play the G# Aug arp ascending, the last note you it is E (5th of A), then slide a wholestep up to F# which lands you in the 6/13 of the I chord. (If you play the arp descending your last note is G# (7th of A) then a half step slide into the Root of the I chord.
And here's the same idea but with Diminished arps
1. Ascend up an F diminished Arp and do a half step slide backwards to get to the 3rd of A / Descend down the arp and half step slide up to land of the 6th/13 of A.
2. Ascend up an Ab dim arp and hs slide back to land on the 5th of A / Descend down the arp and hs slide up to the Root of A.
3. Ascend up a B dim arp and hs slide to the Root of A / Descend down the arp and slide up a whole step to get to the 3rd of A.
4. Ascend up a D dim arp and ws slide down to the Root / Descend down the aro and to a hs slide to the 3rd.
Hopefully this helps and sparks some ideas
Correct - you are using it wrong. That's okay. Your english is betterer than a lot of people born in the US.
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