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ANOTHER question for Syn or Papa Gates regarding weaknesses

Ben Thorpe

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Nov 11, 2019
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I just wanted to ask you (or anybody else), because I know that there is no such thing as a perfect guitar player. Every player makes mistakes or has some area they could improve on. What would you say your weaknesses are, or areas which you feel need improving in your playing? I had to ask this because I’d be really interested to hear the opinions of two very proficient guitar players!
 

Brian Haner Sr.

Papa
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I know Syn is in the “black hole” of touring. A place where you work 2 hours a night and think you will have all kinds of time. In reality, instead of 22 hours “off”, it feels like you have 45 minutes between shows. You’re constantly tired and can’t catch up, (except for when you’re on stage). Then you get a week off, and do it all again for 2 months. I hear they are putting on some great shows. God bless them. Ima stay on my couch.
So I’ll tackle this question alone. It’s a great question, because my first thought was – I would like to work on my Gypsy chops. I haven’t played Gypsy in a couple of years and I’m definitely rusty. Oh! And my jazz playing in general. Oh! And three finger tapping. Oh! And . . .
There will always be new techniques to learn. It’s a never ending process. But for what? The answer should be – MUSIC. As guitarists we get so wrapped up in technique and scales that we forget why we’re doing it in the first place. Which is why I HATE so many of today’s shredders. They’re not musical. They should join the finger olympics.
Everything you learn – (be it directly on guitar, or just exposing yourself to new music) – manifests itself in your playing. That sounds great, and it usually is – but sometimes things creep in that you wish hadn’t. Sometimes things are invited in, and you wish you hadn’t opened that door. For me, in the process of “shredding” over the past couple of years, I have lost a significant amount of taste and “playing what I hear”. Lately it seems I have become a slave to playing too many notes and using too much technique. My solos get away from me and I feel like someone else is playing. Someone with too much technique and not enough musicality. The kind of player I have always hated.
While I have had the benefit of speed and technique in my playing since I was a kid, I was always able to use it discerningly. I have been recording my live solos lately and they seem to be a mish-mash of poorly constructed sweeping & eco-picking licks that come out of nowhere and then go nowhere. ALL PLAYED WITH IMPRESSIVE AND FLAWLESS TECHNIQUE! lol
And I totally get why. Even at my age, when you get a new toy – you overuse it. With my ability to sweep and eco-pick like a boss now, I can’t NOT do it. Like giving a Ferrari to a 16 year-old and asking him not to drive fast.
So I have been consciously trying to get back to playing simpler, more melodic, motif-driven solos. Technique should ALWAYS be a means to an end. In other words, your technique should serve your solo. Like adding salt to a recipe. You only want to use what is absolutely necessary. If you use too much – all you can taste is salt and you fucked up the entire dish. If all people hear in your solo is technique – you fucked that solo up – AND the song. Your solo should ALWAYS serve the song and nothing else.
Sometimes a solo calls for slow bends and whole notes, because it fits the emotion of the song. The same way you have to drive your Ferrari through a school zone at 15mph and realize it’s for the greater good.
I am confident that with diligence and self-discipline I will be able to get a handle on it and slowly introduce the sweeping and eco-picking back into my playing – when a solo calls for it. And when that happens I will be grateful that I have those techniques in my toolbox.
So I guess what I am saying is – once you can play your ass off – the weakness will ALWAYS be between your ears.
 
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Jak Angelescu

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I seriously am saving this entire post. The question was amazing and Papa Gates, your response was just absolutely ground-Breaking. I love how you said that they joined the finger Olympics lol. Because that’s exactly what it is. The funny thing of it is though, is that where you hear all you’re doing is mindless economy and sweet picking jazz licks, I would still like to tell you Papa, that you still play them with absolutely astounding feel. I don’t care how many techniques you cram into a 4 bar solo. Feel and touch is something that will never leave you. Even when I watchyou play the little lick examples in the lessons. There’s so much softness, delicacy, gentleness and smoothness and groove. And that is one thing that I love about the stage album. I feel that Syn’s playing has evolved so much. That’s why my favorite solos that he has ever done are Fermi Paradox and the Stage 2nd solo. It literally pulls the emotions right out of me with every single bend that he hits and the note choices are just so Pristine. Thank you so much for this amazing response. I wish I could read it to my followers on Instagram who can’t join the school because of geographical restrictions. Because I think this is something that everybody would love to hear.
 

Gabriel Corso

Free Bird Player
Nov 11, 2019
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Wow, that was a really nice and motivational answer!
Sometimes for some people speed = playing good. And I did think the same thing when leaning to play the guitar. Watching friends of mine shredding their guitars in front of me- I was amazed by that.
Even though it is not a problem to play fast, sometimes you miss the opportunity to express your emotions with slow notes, phrases and bends.
But don’t get me wrong, playing fast can bring you astonishing results.
I started thinking like this after digging in some of Gilmour guitar solos, which look simple and slow at first glance. But the technique and emotions that you get out of it is amazing.
Synyster’s solos are also a reference to that! I can get shivers when listening to some of them – Fermi paradox for exame it is mind blowing.
Thanks a lot guys! Keep rocking!
G.
 

Ben Thorpe

Free Bird Player
Nov 11, 2019
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Playing fast isn’t a bad thing as long as it compliments the fast pace of the song. If you’re soloing over thrash metal, then sweep pick, tap and do watever fast techniques you want, go crazy!. A slow melodic solo wouldn’t work for Dragonforce or Slayer for example, and vica versa for slower songs. There’s nothing wrong with playing fast as long as it’s a fast paced song.
 
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idssdi

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@brian I love your answer and it really is a matter of what you like to play. Everyone has weaknesses. Also PG if you have significant trouble with playing gypsy jazz you can obviously alwaYstrad try to learn from RB and I may be able to help (I really mean may)
 

Ed Seith

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    Great question, and a KILLER answer from Papa. If you’ve watched my “baby pictures” video from the mid-90s, you can see that it was chock full of notes but glaringly lacking in anything musical. That’s something I continue to work on in my improv, and with my improv over Jak’s track, I think there are places where that gets away from me and I try to get it back on track.
    I’m always looking to improve my alternate picking and sweep techniques, so I’ve broken things down to the bare basics with the Syn’s Etudes on those subjects – first episode of each, and starting INSANELY slowly so I can really build things correctly up to usable speed.
    I also got away from acoustic and clean style stuff when I got back into playing a lot some years ago, and so thanks to my parts in the Stone Temple Pilots tribute, I’m seeing the joy of complex chords again, and wanting to dig into them more to add color to my writing and playing again.
    Finally, really wanting to open Pandora’s Theory Box more and delve into the main stuff there. Hitting a lot of Papa’s beginner lessons on theory and stuff for that, and it’s an incredible trove of information.
     

    Brian Haner Sr.

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    Ids – Thank you! I actually studied with Robin. Still see him whenever he is in LA. I have been paying Gyspy for many years. Syn & I are actually talking about doing an album in the future. My point was – I’m just very much out of practice. I think I could be “album ready” in about a month. Same for Syn. Eventually, when we have the time – we’ll pull that trigger.
     

    Gabriel Corso

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    Nov 11, 2019
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    @brian now that is something I would like to hear.
    I also think that the way you and Syn are talking about Gypsy Jazz in social media, here and other places is a very cool way to spread the genre. I never would have imagined to be hearing anything gypsy – I never had contact with anything like it.
    Keeo up the good work, mate!
     
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    Dan Shipway

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    I think of techniques as a melt in the middle dessert,You have the dessert itself which is the solo that you can enjoy but the melted chocolate in the middle is to top it all off. You can have a sponge cake on its own but you can’t have a plate of melted chocolate
    Does that make sense?
     

    Calvin Phillips

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    Definitely agree with everything said here. Thats why my solos are never really improvised and more waited until it comes into my head. Because eventually the solo will come to your head. Altho ill be honest and say that those are coming quicker to my head on the spot.. making it easier to get it right the first time when i hear the solo in my head. There’s also TONS of technique i havent tried.. sweeping tapping.. so much to expand on. As jak said on my one riff.. you definitely dont wanna over whelm yourself by juat working on your weaknesses too. Sometimes it makes more sense to work on one thing or just say im gonna work on something i know very well so when you do go back to your challenges they actually come out smoother and whatnot. Give yourself some momentum going into those weaknesses.
     
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