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Brian Haner Sr.

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Syn is definitely the perfect storm of a great platform meets great songwriting ability meets great musicianship. I feel like the Haner Sr/Jr. guitar legacy now goes even further than most with the creation and maintenance of this community. I have no delusions of grandeur of "making it" I barely possess the confidence to play anything in front of others let alone with other musicians hahaha but I was so curious as to how really great musicians felt. Great insights and I definitely agree/understand that there is a fine line between the two sides. I feel like you pegged Clapton exactly right. I always found it fascinating how that generation figured it all out without the help of more modern research/lesson assistance...
They listened more than they played. That's the key.
 

idssdi

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They listened more than they played. That's the key.
I catch myself doing the same a lot, I don't spend nearly as much time sitting down with a metronome as I do listening to music trying to catch what they do.

I also trained myself to always listen to what I'm playing and how it fits in what I'm playing over while I'm improvising, it saves me from relying on patterns instead of whatever sounds good in my head.
 
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Mariler

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This conversation is really interesting.
I think there’s a lot going on around a great song.
Genius and creativity go beyond music theory knowledge and playing perfection. Some artists combine all of these qualities and even so they will be always underrated. Others will have less qualities and be more successful to the audience.
Success may depend on the synergies between the musicians of a band and together they can make magic. That could explain why awesome songwriters create amazing music when they are in a band but their stuff on other projects doesn’t seem to be so good.
Don’t you guys think that the greatness of a song lies not only just on an awesome songwriter or guitar player or a band performing it, but also on the audience at that particular moment in time as well as the other factors I mentioned ?
 
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Calvin Phillips

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Yeah I'd agree about the songwriter part, I'm just so confused as to how he was able to even write songs (I know they're not technically complicated) without almost any knowledge of what he was really doing on the guitar. It's fascinating to me I guess, because I wouldn't have the confidence to do that not knowing more than most other people with guitars.
I just watched the nirvana DVD. It wasn't just him. The drums and bass add a huge element in each build up of every song. His progression and song writing approach wasn't difficult. If you follow the idea of how song writing works you'll get it..

1. The melody and how it progresses.. he did this with his clean chorus effect a LOT. Then he simply distorted it. Easy build up method.

2. Chord progressions. Many chords of his were the same chord progression. But you'd never realise it unless you listened to the songs after another. But simple pop chord progressions.

3. He had fun with it and didn't care. You could tell he out his solo Into it. In part to his vocals..he had crohns disease so that definitely effected his singing ability. I think he enjoyed screaming more anyways.
 
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Jaxon Muller

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I just watched the nirvana DVD. It wasn't just him. The drums and bass add a huge element in each build up of every song. His progression and song writing approach wasn't difficult. If you follow the idea of how song writing works you'll get it..

1. The melody and how it progresses.. he did this with his clean chorus effect a LOT. Then he simply distorted it. Easy build up method.

2. Chord progressions. Many chords of his were the same chord progression. But you'd never realise it unless you listened to the songs after another. But simple pop chord progressions.

3. He had fun with it and didn't care. You could tell he out his solo Into it. In part to his vocals..he had crohns disease so that definitely effected his singing ability. I think he enjoyed screaming more anyways.
Yeah i definitely don't want to discount Dave and Krist, 2/3's of the recipe. Kurt seemed to take credit, though. So his tremendous stomach issue was just crohn's disease at the end of the day? I mean I know that's serious and can complicate almost any social plans for people who have it; he talked about it like it was a tumor or something. I think your points are all super on-point and valid. It's so cool having discussions like these with a community full of talented and experienced players. Love the responses!
 

Calvin Phillips

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Yeah i definitely don't want to discount Dave and Krist, 2/3's of the recipe. Kurt seemed to take credit, though. So his tremendous stomach issue was just crohn's disease at the end of the day? I mean I know that's serious and can complicate almost any social plans for people who have it; he talked about it like it was a tumor or something. I think your points are all super on-point and valid. It's so cool having discussions like these with a community full of talented and experienced players. Love the responses!
Kurt was a control freak. He told them what to do but essentially its them doing it.

Dave grohl definitely learned lot from him though.
 
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