Thoughts on Nu Metal?

AGA · Dec 7, 2019

I LOVE System of a Down! I appreciate a few Nu Metal bands but System is on my top tier.
@Ids Schiere I get what you mean, to me it is also very important that a song is memorable and timeless. That is actually why I love System, their melodies are so unique yet memorable. Their album "Toxicity" has a LOT of really great songs that stand the test of time in my opinion. I think you might like them.
This is one of my faves

AGA · Dec 7, 2019

@Edward John In the defence of Nu Metal, most metal genres get bashed by metal fans constantly. It's a very "cannibalistic" scene in that sense. Usually the "new stuff" gets years of bad rep and then becomes "classic". I think Nu Metal will be remembered with better regard as time goes on because people will appreciate the cultural significance it had at that time. It happens to just about all music eventually. When Rock was young (1950's) it had a really bad rep too, as an example.

AGA · Dec 7, 2019

Lol, sorry @Ids Schiere here's another one! This one is perhaps their most well known one.

This thread just made me wanna go listen to System, so if y'all excuse me I'm gonna go spin that shit!

Ed Seith · Dec 8, 2019

The second Disturbed album, Believe, was brilliant. So was Hybrid Theory. LP were meticulous in their songcraft - listen to how some of those songs were constructed - it's just amazing.

Korn was mostly Nu-metal, and they put out a lot of great stuff in that early era - Got the Life, Freak on a Leash, Blind - lots of great stuff. Slipknot was very nu metal up until my favorite album of theirs, Vol 3 (Still their only album I genuinely love), which has a lot more proggy metallic flavor in it.

There was some great stuff, but there was a lot of garbage, too, just like every trend and stage of music.

Ed Seith · Dec 8, 2019

Aileé Guerra Aréizaga said:
@Edward John In the defence of Nu Metal, most metal genres get bashed by metal fans constantly. It's a very "cannibalistic" scene in that sense. Usually the "new stuff" gets years of bad rep and then becomes "classic". I think Nu Metal will be remembered with better regard as time goes on because people will appreciate the cultural significance it had at that time. It happens to just about all music eventually. When Rock was young (1950's) it had a really bad rep too, as an example.

Ailee is totally right here. I lived through the death of 80s music. When Nirvana hit, if you had hair and played anything with a solo, you were literally laughed at. Careers ended. Tours dried up and died in real time. Nothing like that had ever even happened before. The backlash was phenomenal and inescapable. I learned the hard way to be embarrassed about it, and it took the rise of Avenged, and stuff like City of Evil, to make me realize it could be cool to play badass guitar again, and that was almost 15 years later.

Daniel Sobota · Dec 8, 2019

I'm surprised how nobody mentioned Slipknot, Mudvayne and Deftones yet. Arguably all those bands transcend nu-metal, but they are the best the genre has to offer along with Korn and SOAD.

I feel the same way about nu-metal the way I feel about grunge; those bands that kinda started it were the best, other bands that came after are just generic copycats. Korn at their most boring and uninspired will always be better than Hoobastank, Trapt or whatever, lol.

idssdi · Dec 8, 2019

Ed Seith said:
The second Disturbed album, Believe, was brilliant. So was Hybrid Theory. LP were meticulous in their songcraft - listen to how some of those songs were constructed - it's just amazing.

Korn was mostly Nu-metal, and they put out a lot of great stuff in that early era - Got the Life, Freak on a Leash, Blind - lots of great stuff. Slipknot was very nu metal up until my favorite album of theirs, Vol 3 (Still their only album I genuinely love), which has a lot more proggy metallic flavor in it.

There was some great stuff, but there was a lot of garbage, too, just like every trend and stage of music.

I never really realized Linkin Park is considered Nu-metal, they wrote so.e pretty great stuff, same holds for SOAD, RATM and Slipknot. Damn, I suck with genres

Edward John · Dec 8, 2019

Ids Schiere said:
I never really realized Linkin Park is considered Nu-metal, they wrote so.e pretty great stuff, same holds for SOAD, RATM and Slipknot. Damn, I suck with genres

I don't know if they are really part of the genre, but they certainly benefited from the genre itself, in terms of record labels and radio play. But most of the top tier what we would consider modern bands have their routes in that scene, even A7X were undoubtedly helped by the return of metal to the mainstream.

Edward John · Dec 8, 2019

Daniel Sobota said:
I'm surprised how nobody mentioned Slipknot, Mudvayne and Deftones yet. Arguably all those bands transcend nu-metal, but they are the best the genre has to offer along with Korn and SOAD.

I feel the same way about nu-metal the way I feel about grunge; those bands that kinda started it were the best, other bands that came after are just generic copycats. Korn at their most boring and uninspired will always be better than Hoobastank, Trapt or whatever, lol.

The metal media seems to hate Nu Metal, but then you ask them about SOAD and they are suddenly one of the best metal bands of the last decade or so, hilarious the hypocrisy at times.

Edward John · Dec 8, 2019

Ed Seith said:
The second Disturbed album, Believe, was brilliant. So was Hybrid Theory. LP were meticulous in their songcraft - listen to how some of those songs were constructed - it's just amazing.

Korn was mostly Nu-metal, and they put out a lot of great stuff in that early era - Got the Life, Freak on a Leash, Blind - lots of great stuff. Slipknot was very nu metal up until my favorite album of theirs, Vol 3 (Still their only album I genuinely love), which has a lot more proggy metallic flavor in it.

There was some great stuff, but there was a lot of garbage, too, just like every trend and stage of music.

The Sickness is great as well.

Edward John · Dec 8, 2019

Aileé Guerra Aréizaga said:
@Edward John In the defence of Nu Metal, most metal genres get bashed by metal fans constantly. It's a very "cannibalistic" scene in that sense. Usually the "new stuff" gets years of bad rep and then becomes "classic". I think Nu Metal will be remembered with better regard as time goes on because people will appreciate the cultural significance it had at that time. It happens to just about all music eventually. When Rock was young (1950's) it had a really bad rep too, as an example.

You're right, every metal scene seems to get bashed, but then again the media has never really appreciated hard rock. If we go all the way back to the beginning, with Sabbath, Rolling Stone hated Black Sabbath, a dislike that would go on for most of their career. As you said, a lot of those who dislike Nu Metal almost certainly like many of the bands that where either a part of or benefited from that scene. A7X were hated, and still are to some extent, so yes, the metal community seems to dislike most that is 'new'.

Dominik Gräber · Dec 8, 2019

Ids Schiere said:
I never really realized Linkin Park is considered Nu-metal, they wrote so.e pretty great stuff, same holds for SOAD, RATM and Slipknot. Damn, I suck with genres

Linkin Parks First two albums were definetly Nu Metal, what comes after is a Journey from hard Rock over electronic and Pop stuff, Back to Metal, Back to a very Pop ish Album. They were the First band I actively listened to.

Dominik Gräber · Dec 8, 2019

Edward John said:
The Sickness is great as well.

For me it's especially ten thousand fists and indestructible. They were my introduction to disturbed and Metal in General. But I should give Believe another listen.

Edward John · Dec 8, 2019

Anyone have any thoughts on Dorwning Pool? I thought the first album was insane, I honestly believe with the same singer they could have been as big as Disturbed.

Dominik Gräber · Dec 8, 2019

@Aileé Guerra Aréizaga I totally agree about system. They are so unique in their own way. Bummer they don't really Work together anymore. You could clearly feel it at their Last Shows

@Daniel Sobota I mentioned Slipknot although I know they don't like being Put Into the Nu Metal genre

Edward John · Dec 8, 2019

Dominik Gräber said:
@Aileé Guerra Aréizaga I totally agree about system. They are so unique in their own way. Bummer they don't really Work together anymore. You could clearly feel it at their Last Shows

@Daniel Sobota I mentioned Slipknot although I know they don't like being Put Into the Nu Metal genre

They don't like it but they most certainly were part of it.

Ed Seith · Dec 8, 2019

Daniel Sobota said:
I'm surprised how nobody mentioned Slipknot, Mudvayne and Deftones yet. Arguably all those bands transcend nu-metal, but they are the best the genre has to offer along with Korn and SOAD.

I feel the same way about nu-metal the way I feel about grunge; those bands that kinda started it were the best, other bands that came after are just generic copycats. Korn at their most boring and uninspired will always be better than Hoobastank, Trapt or whatever, lol.

Can't believe I forgot Mudvayne - LOVE that band.

Ed Seith · Dec 8, 2019

Daniel Sobota said:
I'm surprised how nobody mentioned Slipknot, Mudvayne and Deftones yet. Arguably all those bands transcend nu-metal, but they are the best the genre has to offer along with Korn and SOAD.

I feel the same way about nu-metal the way I feel about grunge; those bands that kinda started it were the best, other bands that came after are just generic copycats. Korn at their most boring and uninspired will always be better than Hoobastank, Trapt or whatever, lol.

Hoobastank's first album was quite good. Then they had a radio hit with The Reason, and ruined every record after chasing the hit ballad again.

AGA · Dec 8, 2019

Edward John said:
I don't know if they are really part of the genre, but they certainly benefited from the genre itself, in terms of record labels and radio play. But most of the top tier what we would consider modern bands have their routes in that scene, even A7X were undoubtedly helped by the return of metal to the mainstream.

Yes, it opened the way for the modern wave of metal for sure.

Alicia Willis · Dec 10, 2019

Nu metal has a special place in my heart lol.
They say, the music you listen to in your teen years has more of an impact on you than at any other time. During my teen years I was all about Numetal (as well as alt rock and some punk) so the genre and songs of the time obviously make me a bit nostalgic. I still remember rolling up into Sam Goody (I’m showing my age ) and buying Hybrid Theory.

I personally dislike the hate certain genres get. Music is music. I’d you dig it, cool. If you don’t, that’s cool too. There’s a lot of genre bashing and it sucks.

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