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Rad Synner

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    So, turns out this is bad advice.

    I guess I will find out just how comfortable the couch is. On the upside, I finally scored the elusive PS5!
    Did you forget the flower bouquet when you asked for forgiveness? Also a nice dinner would have probably helped a lot, I am just saying...

    Dude, knowing how hard it is to get one, good job!
     
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    Wait, you never mentioned anything about flowers. Why didn't you mention flowers!
    Ok no problems because now at least you'll have the flowers for when, idk, you but a high end PC or a new guitar! I would also add a nice dinner. Just put her in as good a mood as possible! It's for your own safety my friend!!!
     
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    Hey Kids! Happy October! 🎃
    I need some help. I've been toying with the idea of doing some live dates up here in Vermont and was thinking of doing acoustic/vocal with a loop pedal - just for fun.
    My usual deal is with backing tracks - and even though I've recorded some killer backing tracks, it feels old fashioned and a bit like guitar karaoke.
    So here's the deal. I don't have a loop pedal and I've never used one. lol.
    Does anyone here have experience with using one - the ins and outs, tips, problems, constraints, reasons I should use one, reasons I shouldn't use one, best pedal to get, etc. ???
    Maybe links to videos of players who are nailing it with a looper?

    Appreciate any help you can give.
    Cheers!
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    Hey man! I used to do an acoustic Solo project and would do live loops. It's such a fun & creative way to get a full sound live when you're solo and it's also a complete party trick to those in the audience 😁 So win win!

    My setup was a boss RC30 with a boss AB footswitch (to switch channels with my feet while I sang), going into a Digitech whammy pedal (I used this to emulate thick bass tones and give a sort of baritone guitar vibe to my tunes) I would also have a designated 'looping mic' going straight into the RC30 to layer harmonies too.

    The RC30 has two channels but I know the RC300 has more if you're planning more complex stuff 👌

    My advice would be to start simple and to experiment as much as possible to figure out what the loopers limitations are with your tunes (for example with the RC30 I was unable to go to a completely different section in a tune - a modulation for instance - because I had already locked my backing vocals in the home key) I'm sure there are ways to figure out anything you want to do if you're crafty enough with what you're using though. That was just my experience with the RC30. I've also been waist deep in a loop and messed up - LIVE! 😅 I had to stop to stunned silence and restart the whole thing - that's just a horror story though.



    In terms of people killing it with a looper - look no further than this alien from outer space, Mike Love 👉
    What you see at the start is impressive - but watch the video until the part where he stops and starts live looping the acapella vocal middle 8 (4:23) - Genuinelly one of the strangest and most impressive things I've ever seen someone do with a looper 🤟 I remember trying to replicate it and gaining a whole new respect for the guy - you'll see what I mean!

    Hope this helps 👌
     

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    Hey man! I used to do an acoustic Solo project and would do live loops. It's such a fun & creative way to get a full sound live when you're solo and it's also a complete party trick to those in the audience 😁 So win win!

    My setup was a boss RC30 with a boss AB footswitch (to switch channels with my feet while I sang), going into a Digitech whammy pedal (I used this to emulate thick bass tones and give a sort of baritone guitar vibe to my tunes) I would also have a designated 'looping mic' going straight into the RC30 to layer harmonies too.

    The RC30 has two channels but I know the RC300 has more if you're planning more complex stuff 👌

    My advice would be to start simple and to experiment as much as possible to figure out what the loopers limitations are with your tunes (for example with the RC30 I was unable to go to a completely different section in a tune - a modulation for instance - because I had already locked my backing vocals in the home key) I'm sure there are ways to figure out anything you want to do if you're crafty enough with what you're using though. That was just my experience with the RC30. I've also been waist deep in a loop and messed up - LIVE! 😅 I had to stop to stunned silence and restart the whole thing - that's just a horror story though.



    In terms of people killing it with a looper - look no further than this alien from outer space, Mike Love 👉
    What you see at the start is impressive - but watch the video until the part where he stops and starts live looping the acapella vocal middle 8 (4:23) - Genuinelly one of the strangest and most impressive things I've ever seen someone do with a looper 🤟 I remember trying to replicate it and gaining a whole new respect for the guy - you'll see what I mean!

    Hope this helps 👌
    Unreal! The guy's incredible. So much going on there. Thanks for sharing.
    But even with all the incredible stuff he did - it was still just 10 minutes of 3 chords over and over. It was certainly interesting, but there wasn't a lot of "song" in what he did. Just a lot of variations on a basic theme.
    I think the thing about looping I despise is that you are stuck with 4 or 8 bars of a groove. If the chorus changes chords or keys, you're screwed. And forget about a bridge. Not sure how I would do it with classic pop/rock stuff - like Steely Dan.
    I guess you just pick songs that have 3 or 4 repetitive chords. Very few songs pre-2000 would be user friendly for looping. I'd have to update my tune list and do some newer stuff.
    I guess that's why I always hear the same 20 tunes from the looper community; "Somebody That I Used To Know", etc.
    And maybe I'm missing the point. (Believe it or not, it's happened before). Maybe the point IS to embrace the 4 bar groove and just work it.
    I may just mix it up and do what I do - which is basically karaoke (from tracks I recorded) with live guitar and vocal - and then when a song lends itself to a loop - I can break that out and do the "party trick".
    Regardless - this guy has a ton of game. Great musician!
     
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